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After appearing in court docs in the Maxwell case, should Bill Clinton be investigated for having visited Epstein’s island?

After appearing in court docs in the Maxwell case, should Bill Clinton be investigated for having visited Epstein’s island?
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08/06/20
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Kevin (Yes)

Evidence coming from the Maxwell case is not the first to appear linking Bill Clinton to Epstein and his 'alleged madam' Ghislaine Maxwell. Photographic evidence has previously surfaced, showing Clinton on Epstein's private jet with Maxwell. Evidence has also shown that Clinton was a passenger on Epstein's 'Lolita Express' more often than was first reported. Former President Clinton seems to have 'ditched' his Secret Service detail for 'at least five' of those flights. However, the U.S. Secret Service has apparently 'declined to answer' several FOIA requests made in regards to information on those flights. Clinton also praised Epstein in a 2002 statement to New York magazine, given through a spokesperson, and Maxwell was in attendance at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

Although there have been no sexual allegations against Clinton regarding his ties to Epstein, the connections do raise questions about what his involvement with Epstein may have been. Epstein's political ties likely helped enable him to get away with his crimes for years, and that aspect deserves as much scrutiny as any other part of this scandal. Although Clinton has denied having been to Epstein's island, there is no doubt of some connection between Clinton, Epstein, and Maxwell. Not to re-litigate ancient history, but it also seems relevant that the former president has shown a past willingness to lie. Even if Clinton himself is innocent of any actual wrongdoing here, there is more than enough reason to investigate these ties. The Epstein case is alarming, and every avenue that could lead to more information should be pursued.

 

Noah (No)

Given that President Clinton has not been accused of any crime by Epstein's victims, nor has there been eyewitnesses to any unseemly behaviors by the former president while he was staying on Jeffrey Epstein’s island, he should not be investigated. Epstein was a major cash donor to the Democratic Party. For all we know, President Clinton traveled to Little Saint James on Epstein's plane several times to discuss politics in general, new upcoming candidates, and levels of potential donations.

President Clinton was publicly visible while he visited the private island. He sat on a front porch with Epstein, had drinks, and talked for a long time, according to Steve Scully, Epstein's IT and communications consultant, who was there inspecting a newly installed system. Scully, who had visited the island over a thousand times, never complained of seeing or hearing about any untoward behaviors by Clinton while he was on the island. It has been shown in released documents that Jeffrey Epstein depended on the names and reputations of his well-known friends and celebrities to act as a cover of legitimacy for his illegal acts against minors. Many of these people probably had no idea about Epstein's proclivities and what was going on behind the scenes on his island getaway. President Clinton can undoubtedly be one of those people who was ignorant of Epstein's ongoing crimes.

No matter that our criminal justice system is antiquated, out of touch with a rapidly-changing America, and inherently unfair to defendants and their families, the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty still stands sacrosanct in our system of laws. This well known precedent should absolutely be applied to the idea of investigating President Clinton’s likely innocuous proximity to Epstein.

Fact Box

  • Records have been revealed from a 2011 meeting between Jeffrey Epstein, accuser Virginia Giuffre, and her lawyers – she talked about the powerful people in Epstein's ring – and 'the first of many accusations' put Clinton 'directly' at Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean.
  • Although Giuffre does not accuse Clinton of misconduct, she called sexual orgies a “regular occurrence” at the island, and mentioned an overheard conversation with Epstein boasting that “Bill Clinton owes me favors.” She emphasized the possibility of the statement being a joke. 
  • On Friday, a spokesperson for Bill Clinton denied that the former president had ever been to Jeffrey Epstein's private island.
  • Giuffre listed other high-class names in relation to the island, including Prince Andrew, former New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, “another prince,” and “a large hotel chain owner.”
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